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the planets often masters almost surely

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something there beyond the realm of man

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every time school turn upon more you

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think you know that you really do that's

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true dr. Zaius where would we be without

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always been weaponized and used as the

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creation and along with the school

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system dead set on churning out obedient

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servants to the management class movies

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and media act as the pacifiers that make

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many people just content enough with

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their life of servitude well today's

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returning guest J Dyer has been picking

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apart the Titans of Tinseltown for many

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years on his website J's analysis where

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he methodically breaks down dozens of

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films to expose the hidden agendas and

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symbolism they contain he also writes

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extensively on philosophy geopolitics

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history conspiracy East e'terica and

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more and we got him here hot on the

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heels of this great new book east of

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and film it's a real treat to have him

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here once again Jay my man welcome back

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to the higher side Thank You Gregg

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always a pleasure I'm glad to be back we

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had a really good time last time talking

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about science fiction and propaganda I'm

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sure this will be equally as exciting

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yeah man I really loved that last

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episode I think we also focused a lot on

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Ian Fleming and the Bond films and her

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cellar was pretty fresh at that time too

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exactly and I also really enjoyed this

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new book of yours and maybe a good place

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to start with that is that one of the

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first sections is called film as ritual

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which is provocative but how closely

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related do you think film and ritual

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really are how are they similar

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well the idea of ritual could be many

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things right I mean we generally think

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of it as a kind of religious ceremony

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that has some connection to deities or

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the divine or the celestial and in

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modern parlance I guess we've kind of

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disconnected the idea of theatre and

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plays and acting from that milieu but

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that's actually where it comes from if

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you go back to ancient Greece the idea

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of Sophocles of Antigone of the theater

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was bound up with the idea of the gods

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and the stories of the gods

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a window into that and I did a lecture I

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dialogue that not many people are aware

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of IO n is the name of dialogue and it's

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a conversation that Socrates has with

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some poets and musicians and they're

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saying hey Socrates like you don't know

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philosophizing and analytical stuff and

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ancient Greece they actually were

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narcotics and things like this so it's

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entirely possible that those in the arts

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alternate spirits alternate gods

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whatever and when we fast-forward to

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probably the most popular modern school

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or technique of serious acting that you

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the method acting of Constantine

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idea was that you could through his

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craft or his methodology invoke and sort

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of take on these other personalities so

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coming from looking at and what's

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believe that there are actual alternate

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people take on or invoke or entities in

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my invade someone's psyche your

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conscious mind or something like that

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whether you believe in that or not

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they will operate on that belief system

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and perhaps under the influence of drugs

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or rituals or ceremonies or magic or

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whatever that they're into they may

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furor this kind of bizarre sort of state

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that's what I start with that's when I

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started filming ritual because acting in

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the ancient world was ritual yeah man I

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love it and that idea that theater and

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the practice of acting out those

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mythological stories is like an attempt

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to draw down the power of those entities

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people but I mean it makes sense and do

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drawing down of the spirits going on in

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modern filmmaking as well well many of

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the a-listers are openly into method

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acting so again I'm not saying that I

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can prove that they actually do it

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or that they're possessed or anything

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like that but what I'm saying is that

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they believe and act upon the philosophy

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of Constantin Stanislavski which was

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occultic hmm and nature and so he really

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thought that you could have an alternate

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persona step in and take over your

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persona right that's the goal now

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whether they actually do that as I'm

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sure debatable but I mean how many times

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have we seen people for example if they

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have a bad trip right the story is that

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Martin Sheen right I mean he's supposed

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to be really tripping when he goes crazy

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know so again this is method acting yeah

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it's crazy I mean we've talked on the

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show about the idea of alternate

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personalities I mean this happens a lot

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in Hollywood and music I mean so many

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actors don't even use their real name

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which is kind of strange I mean there's

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no other field like that and then even

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musicians in particular who have

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alternate personalities which seems like

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a weird thing to do when you're trying

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to build a specific brand and you've

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done all this work to build up Beyonce

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and now you're Sasha Fierce or you've

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built up Garth Brooks and now you're

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whatever his ultimate persona was that

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you use very weird that they do that at

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all and it kind of connects to this idea

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of being more of a vessel for various

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personalities or taking on various

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real and I will fully admit that in the

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case of faux pop stars and things like

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that but it's entirely possible that a

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lot of its just marketing right so maybe

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when there's going to be a new Beyonce

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album or you know David Bowie or whoever

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persona of Ziggy Stardust or Sasha

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Fierce or whatever so it's entirely

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possible that that is marketing but I

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also have read a lot of books from

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psychiatrists and sociologists and

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psychologist for example there's the one

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that's pretty popular called switching

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time and this is a little psychiatrist

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several years counseling a woman with

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multiple personalities now that could be

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fake I've heard some good argumentation

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suggesting that the classic story Sybil

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was fake but then again the source

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calling it fake was NPR so the MTR stop

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the most reliable source so the idea of

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splits and altars and all this is very I

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guess controversial and debated and when

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you look at the reason why a lot of

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people dismiss it the basis is it's it's

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things like oh it's not possible because

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it doesn't fit with the idea of

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materialistic reductionist Darwinism or

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something like this like you know the

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brain is just matter and because we're

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not seeing anything actually splitting

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under the microscope or something like

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this and it's not possible well that

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just is assuming that the mind of the

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psyche or the soul is in itself material

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which is an unproven assumption again

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based on a person's belief in

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materialism however if the soul the

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psyche exists then that opens up all

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kinds of and it's not strictly material

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quote-unquote then that opens up you

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know all kinds of possibilities for what

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may actually be going on and I tend to

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believe that we don't fully know and

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understand the things of the soul and

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the psyche amid the Bible even says this

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in Paul's letters pulses you know man

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doesn't even comprehend his own spirit

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definitive so-called scientists to

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claims about what's possible in the the

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realm of the psyche so anyway yeah I

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classes was a psychology class and we

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watched some videos on people with

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appears to be real I don't see

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all these people could be all faking

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this mm-hmm so I tend to think it's real

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now how developed that is in terms of

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different persons through trigger words

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the plot of this new M night Shyamalan

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movie which I thought was actually

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really good yeah split split and yeah I

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enjoyed it I tend to think that I mean

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obviously that's a little bit Hollywood

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it up but if you read a book like

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switching time you know it seems to line

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up pretty clear with that I would say

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that that would be my suspicion as to

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what really goes on but do I know if

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Britney has multiple personalities and

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she acts pretty Lanie sometimes and that

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she looks like there she's different

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persona so I wouldn't be surprised in

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her case because I have seen some

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interviews where she does seem to act

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very goofy and change her personality

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totally right I've seen people have

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freak outs on drugs where it's not just

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them freaking out like it appears to me

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that somebody else was was running that

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machine and the ghost in the machine was

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switched out or some other ghost in

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there yeah I mean I definitely think

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there's something to this for sure again

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I agree with you like it's about

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determining to what degree but yeah

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there's something to it for sure and I'm

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curious do you see film being good

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vehicles for a cult aims outside of

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invocation are there other things in

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that occult esoteric toolbox that are

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being manifested through film are there

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good aspects sure sure I don't think you

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know all the films are nefarious or

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propaganda you know several chapters in

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my book are kind of light-hearted and

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goofy and satirical so they're not

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really to be taken you know too

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seriously I think the Logan's Run and

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the Zardoz chapters are pretty I mean

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there's some deep dark stuff in those

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films but for the most part they're just

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kind of fun and satirical sci fi

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versions of select Plato's allegory the

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cave and I don't think those are

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necessarily you know nefarious

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fair points but to clarify and I did say

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good vehicles but I don't mean good in a

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moral sense but I'm more curious if you

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see films acting as useful mechanisms

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for other occult aims besides the

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invocation aspects we talked about other

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things in the magical toolbox for

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example I sometimes hear people suggest

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that a major aim of mass media and

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Hollywood is to replace our imagination

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or to have us outsource our ability to

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visualize because they know how

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important the connection between

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consciousness and matter is and that we

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can influence our reality but not if

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they bombard us with all this filler

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from a young age so I guess I'm really

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asking if you see other occult related

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purposes for the Hollywood machine other

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than the entity energy drawdown aspect

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that you had laid out already okay I

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Super Saiyan I have seen my buddy John

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brought this to my attention John Adams

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over at hosts Buster's he said if you

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look at the book Africans in the title

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of it I've taught my head but and I did

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look it up a good Gregory Bateson who

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was one of the sort of MKULTRA guys in

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the background he wrote a book where he

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did actually talk about capturing man's

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imagination and he saw that the need to

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control creativity and imagination was

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very important for social engineering

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because in my view this is really the

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function of Disney right it's like it is

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all about quote imagination and what

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they've done with Disney is totally

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weaponize it to capture your children's

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imagination and really turn it into a

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lot of dark social engineering things

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like you know they want to take your kid

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and take her from being Hannah Montana

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and turn her into gender fluid

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disgusting [\h__\h] Miley Cyrus so that's

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that's the real goal of capturing the

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imagination mm-hmm yeah man Disney is

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quite a force and I really do enjoy when

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people break down Disney films sometimes

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it goes too far I will admit and I

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actually checked out some of the songs

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on YouTube from that new one Mona and I

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guess the rock

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plays a demigod character I assumed from

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Hawaiian mythology I think that's what

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it's all about and there is a line in

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one of his songs where he describes

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making the world and at one point he

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says I killed an eel buried its guts

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sprouted a tree now you have coconuts

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and I just thought huh that's a fairly

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detailed ritual description right there

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bit of an evolution from when you wish

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upon a pentagram and I am being

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facetious but I've heard some

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researchers make a really compelling

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case that however small there is a very

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purposeful occult thread through a lot

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of those films that's an interesting

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point I haven't followed much Disney

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stuff or kids stuff in general I tend to

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focus on more well at least in the first

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book you know that I did it was mainly

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things that I grew up with you know

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Spielberg movies Hitchcock movies James

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Bond

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Kubrick things that I watched growing up

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in high school and stuff like that so

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but I'm sure that yeah you could

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definitely go a whole other rabbit hole

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you know into kids films and all the

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programming and stuff like that and but

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again I think the main tool of what they

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do with the kids films is promote

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mindless sort of rebellion promote well

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as you as you mentioned there and sort

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of the capturing of the imagination and

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turning it to really just the service of

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the system I mean you know Disney for

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example was for a long time involved in

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promoting government propaganda and

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military recruitment that was a big part

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of what Disney himself stood for he had

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access to and worked at the Laurel

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Canyon studios you know where they did

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all these secret Air Force films and so

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forth that I discussed in the book that

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comes from Dave McGowan's work yeah so

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yeah that is a good question I mean

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definitely the kids aspect is something

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that could be explored more but I mean

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I've seen all kinds of dastardly stuff

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from Nickelodeon and MTV and yeah that I

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think is genuinely intended to have

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negative effects on your children I mean

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the whole goal of all of this

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depopulation yeah I mean it could be a

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stretch but I've even heard people

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talking about the slimming of kids on

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Nickelodeon being a you know symbolic of

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seeing

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and I mean that might be a stretch but

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I'm like that is kind of kind of creepy

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too and you think about it in that

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context but let's get into Spielberg a

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little bit you write about him

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a decent amount and east it's Eric

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Hollywood breaking down several of his

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movies and if there were a larger

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semi-organized machine behind Hollywood

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Spielberg would have to be involved so

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when you look at the totality of his

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film you see an over arching aim or

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agenda that becomes more clear yeah I

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think you could boil down like probably

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three major scenes that Spielberg deals

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with he deals with Holocaust he deals

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with familial relations and he deals

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with aliens that's something that's the

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three things that he's focused on so

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what I folk well is alien /

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transhumanism and so forth so what I

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focused on in my book was the alien and

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trans human myths and stories that he's

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focused on and so he interestingly does

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have a penchant for filk a dick who I

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think is very fascinating as a writer

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and a character because Jill Berg did

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Minority Report so there's a chapter on

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Minority Report that I do that focuses

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on dystopia and how tax can lead to

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dystopia so not everything in Spielberg

436
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is bad I don't think he's totally

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nefarious or anything like that I don't

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I don't actually go after anybody

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personally in directors I just kind of

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try to decode the film's and see what

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patterns and meanings I can find in the

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symbolism so what his fieldwork all

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about was I said aliens and

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transhumanism and I think those two

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things are linked for one because I

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personally am not convinced that there's

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like extra biological entities but I

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think that if you watch movies like et

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and then you watch something like his

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version or the world the cold calculated

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scientistic approach that the so-called

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aliens have sure does seem to match up

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to the cold calculated scientistic

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approach of the deep state and the

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military industrial complex and the

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international corporations yeah

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have that because like so at the end of

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Close Encounters what's it all about

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well they're they're stealing abducting

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kids and family members and you get the

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impression at the very very end that

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they're doing some kind of genetic

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modification on these people and then

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they like giving them back to you like

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20 years later or something and they

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haven't aged so the idea is the quote

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alien no overlords are working on

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genetic modification hybridization GMOs

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halting the aging process in all these

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kinds of things that we in the

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conspiracy world really believe the Oleg

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arts are working on and are into so I

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think that's the real meaning of

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something like Close Encounters which

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actually kicked off the modern alien

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Hollywood blockbuster phenomena I can't

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really think I mean there was there

478
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probably were alien movies no doubt many

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of them prior to post encounters but

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making aliens into a giant blockbusters

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you know it begins I would say with if

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you don't count 2001 which I tend to

483
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believe 2001 about AI not so-called

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aliens but extraterrestrial beings you

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get you get Close Encounters which is

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based on KL and high neck and

487
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chocolately right this is both of their

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works for kind of the basis for what was

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going on in Close Encounters and

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actually I believe high-neck I've found

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sources saying that jalen Hynek was

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actually consulting this Phil Berg on

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the set so yeah so I think that you're

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talking about people from the deep state

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to know about what the UFO phenomena

496
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really is sort of consulting with

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Spielberg Spielberg is putting out his

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version of it and you know then when you

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look at ET I think ICI is actually about

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this idea of the ETS come more like a

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familiar spirit than he is like an alien

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that's why is very strange bonded

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connection with Elliott and you know

504
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when et gets drunk and burps Elliott's

505
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drunk and belching right oh yeah this is

506
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our very weird stuff going on there but

507
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yeah man and this is exactly what I

508
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wanted to get into you

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I love that et analysis and it's so

510
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interesting you talk about in the film

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et you mentioned the shadow government

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researcher and the movie is named keys

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and that it's a reference to the Key of

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Solomon and let's get into this a bit

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what is the significance there is that

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message part of the subtly saying that

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et is a familiar spirit or a demon

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rather than a space alien I would say so

519
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because you look at what his so-called

520
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powers are and they again they match up

521
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much closer to something like a familiar

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spirit supposedly than it does any sort

523
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of alien it's almost as if Elliott

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invokes et to come and they they have

525
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this it's almost like et is his higher

526
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self for his you know sort of holy

527
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guardian angel or something and I think

528
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there's a lot of bizarre sort of Kirlian

529
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dish imagery in the film too with you

530
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know the moon child and Elliott flying

531
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across the moon as a child I just have I

532
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think that's suggestive it's not

533
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definitive but it's suggestive and so

534
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the Peter Coyote character that's the

535
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guy who's playing keys he shows up at

536
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the beginning and then he pops up later

537
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at the end and he's actually this sort

538
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of mysterious almost angelic government

539
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figure who turns out to be a good guy

540
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because he's opening up all of these

541
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scenarios at least that's how I read it

542
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and actually I think Roger Ebert says

543
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something similar to that in his book

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00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:29,160
the great movies when he looks at et so

545
00:23:37,020 --> 00:23:33,610
anyway it's a it's a different take on

546
00:23:39,930 --> 00:23:37,030
et definitely that I have but the actual

547
00:23:43,770 --> 00:23:39,940
guy Peter Coyote interestingly was a

548
00:23:46,770 --> 00:23:43,780
hardcore Marxist and he was a big-time

549
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:46,780
sort of activist corn quote and in terms

550
00:23:53,130 --> 00:23:50,080
of Marxism and Cultural Revolution so

551
00:23:54,660 --> 00:23:53,140
and I think that potentially suggests

552
00:23:56,550 --> 00:23:54,670
I'm not saying he is an occultist or

553
00:23:58,590 --> 00:23:56,560
anything like that for sure but it's

554
00:24:00,060 --> 00:23:58,600
just interesting that you know you don't

555
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:00,070
see this got a lot of movies and then

556
00:24:04,990 --> 00:24:02,170
he's just Dilbert chooses him for this

557
00:24:08,690 --> 00:24:05,000
role I don't know why but

558
00:24:13,250 --> 00:24:08,700
ultimately I think what et is was the

559
00:24:16,519 --> 00:24:13,260
propagation of a rebranding of the alien

560
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:16,529
mythology for a generation of youth

561
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:19,770
right so I was Elliot's age when 80 came

562
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:22,890
out so that was targeted at people my

563
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:26,250
generation and I think the goal of that

564
00:24:32,740 --> 00:24:30,000
was a rebranding of quote aliens not to

565
00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:32,750
be something nefarious or dangerous and

566
00:24:38,060 --> 00:24:35,220
some otherworldly threat but something

567
00:24:40,639 --> 00:24:38,070
that we should embrace and when you get

568
00:24:43,610 --> 00:24:40,649
to my Prometheus chapter what I argue is

569
00:24:45,580 --> 00:24:43,620
the reason that we're being warmed up to

570
00:24:47,899 --> 00:24:45,590
quote aliens for so long and why

571
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:47,909
Hollywood just constantly turns out

572
00:24:52,090 --> 00:24:50,159
alien movies like non-stop is not just

573
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:52,100
first blockbuster

574
00:24:56,389 --> 00:24:54,450
ticket sales it's actually I think to

575
00:25:00,560 --> 00:24:56,399
sort of warm us up for the acceptance of

576
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:00,570
a new global religion that melds better

577
00:25:04,909 --> 00:25:02,850
with Darwinism and I think that as I

578
00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:04,919
argue in the HG Wells Gilbert chapter in

579
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:06,510
the book I believe what we've been prep

580
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:08,010
for this for a long time going all the

581
00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:09,330
way back to the science fiction and

582
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:11,130
predictive programming of HG Wells and

583
00:25:16,639 --> 00:25:13,770
that's why still bird choose the things

584
00:25:17,210 --> 00:25:16,649
like world world's fascinating man and

585
00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:17,220
I'd love that

586
00:25:22,820 --> 00:25:19,740
ét example I remember when I was a kid

587
00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:22,830
you even note the fact that et glows as

588
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:26,130
maybe an element of him being more of a

589
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:27,600
familiar and I remember when I was young

590
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:29,610
I was like why does this thing glow it

591
00:25:33,049 --> 00:25:30,690
just doesn't look right

592
00:25:34,970 --> 00:25:33,059
thought it was awkward but it makes a

593
00:25:37,220 --> 00:25:34,980
point that maybe it isn't maybe it's a

594
00:25:39,289 --> 00:25:37,230
spiritual entity rather than something

595
00:25:41,539 --> 00:25:39,299
from space yeah and I think that the

596
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:41,549
planetary connection that we see in the

597
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:45,210
film also suggests planetary deities

598
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:47,760
right and this is kind of how the Key of

599
00:25:53,570 --> 00:25:49,890
Solomon our ancient mythology was viewed

600
00:25:56,539 --> 00:25:53,580
Tiki and the gods quote-unquote mm-hmm I

601
00:25:59,090 --> 00:25:56,549
also like the thing that you point out

602
00:26:01,340 --> 00:25:59,100
that the government agents arrive in

603
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:01,350
NASA spacesuits in the movie and that is

604
00:26:06,049 --> 00:26:03,120
so weird why would you be in a spacesuit

605
00:26:08,510 --> 00:26:06,059
anywhere right space but it is it's in

606
00:26:11,419 --> 00:26:08,520
there yeah I've always thought that was

607
00:26:14,830 --> 00:26:11,429
odd and so how do we read this how we

608
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:14,840
make sense with us well once we have a

609
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:17,039
broader perspective of things like

610
00:26:22,750 --> 00:26:18,240
Kubrick

611
00:26:25,490 --> 00:26:22,760
with NASA which I touch on in the book

612
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:25,500
and you know if we've seen the work from

613
00:26:30,010 --> 00:26:27,570
say J we'd neuron Kubrick and moon

614
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,020
landings in that theory I think that

615
00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:32,400
especially given the fact that silver

616
00:26:38,780 --> 00:26:36,840
took over Kubrick's script ai

617
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:38,790
yeah you know it changed it to aliens

618
00:26:42,350 --> 00:26:40,170
and stuff like this which I don't think

619
00:26:45,170 --> 00:26:42,360
Kubrick was added in the original story

620
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:45,180
there's some nods and crossovers between

621
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:48,240
still Berg to Kubrick and I've always

622
00:26:55,610 --> 00:26:50,610
just wondered if that wasn't some kind

623
00:26:58,340 --> 00:26:55,620
of nod or or hint that the moon landings

624
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:58,350
and Apollo and all this guy stuff is not

625
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:01,440
what we are told and when we look at

626
00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:05,520
other nods and instances in films that I

627
00:27:08,570 --> 00:27:07,140
touch on in the book like diamonds are

628
00:27:11,390 --> 00:27:08,580
forever well there's this scene where

629
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:11,400
you know James Bond runs on to a movie

630
00:27:17,630 --> 00:27:13,650
set where they're filming the

631
00:27:19,820 --> 00:27:17,640
moonlighting yeah I love it man and you

632
00:27:23,270 --> 00:27:19,830
also even note the similarities and

633
00:27:26,690 --> 00:27:23,280
titles between et and that Kubrick

634
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:26,700
Spielberg collaboration of AI and you

635
00:27:31,670 --> 00:27:29,250
say that it could be a mystic goggle

636
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:31,680
crew code for the origins of advanced

637
00:27:36,530 --> 00:27:33,840
artificial technology as channeled from

638
00:27:38,900 --> 00:27:36,540
interdimensional alien gods great

639
00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:38,910
sentence and I love that idea I've been

640
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:40,710
hearing it more and more that technology

641
00:27:44,660 --> 00:27:42,810
comes from connections to entities like

642
00:27:45,980 --> 00:27:44,670
Prometheus bringing aspire and is that

643
00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:45,990
your impression of where a lot of

644
00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:47,910
technology comes from some type of a

645
00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:50,310
cult working I do think that that's

646
00:27:55,940 --> 00:27:53,220
possible and that's I believe that not

647
00:27:58,430 --> 00:27:55,950
just because of you know some kind of

648
00:27:59,930 --> 00:27:58,440
weird thesis or something I dreamed up

649
00:28:02,840 --> 00:27:59,940
but actually when you go into the

650
00:28:07,670 --> 00:28:02,850
history of philosophers or sort of

651
00:28:10,130 --> 00:28:07,680
pioneers of modern technology you can

652
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:10,140
look at characters like a Descartes you

653
00:28:14,090 --> 00:28:12,000
can look at somebody like John Dee was

654
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:14,100
of course interested in alchemy and

655
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:16,890
things like that too but lightness GW

656
00:28:20,780 --> 00:28:18,330
Leibniz the famous Continental

657
00:28:24,620 --> 00:28:20,790
philosopher who's the co-founder of

658
00:28:27,530 --> 00:28:24,630
calculus with Newton Leibniz was very

659
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:27,540
interested in alchemy and the esoteric

660
00:28:30,890 --> 00:28:29,490
and metaphysics and things like this and

661
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:30,900
Platonism

662
00:28:37,010 --> 00:28:33,690
and he is one of the formative figures

663
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:37,020
of dreaming up the possibility of a

664
00:28:43,790 --> 00:28:40,320
computer or a logic machine so there's

665
00:28:46,130 --> 00:28:43,800
always been in you know Jewish mysticism

666
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,140
the idea of the Golem which is the

667
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:48,720
creation of a robot being or a synthetic

668
00:28:57,770 --> 00:28:54,450
human and so I think we have nascent in

669
00:29:00,860 --> 00:28:57,780
the mythology a lot of the hints and

670
00:29:02,660 --> 00:29:00,870
primeval I mean you could almost argue

671
00:29:05,450 --> 00:29:02,670
that kind of predictive programming like

672
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:05,460
ancient mythology right is almost a kind

673
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:08,010
of primeval predictive programming for

674
00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:11,130
what is possible with technology and

675
00:29:17,030 --> 00:29:13,980
alchemy so I know that's kind of that

676
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:17,040
might be debatable and people might howl

677
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,960
at that and think that I'm crazy but I

678
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:20,960
mean yeah maybe it was just his own

679
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,520
clever insight but how was widening

680
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:25,200
streaming up the possibility of a

681
00:29:31,010 --> 00:29:28,010
computer you know back in the 1500s

682
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:31,020
mm-hmm how did you know da Vinci was

683
00:29:36,860 --> 00:29:34,050
like sketching out helicopters and stuff

684
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:36,870
okay right where do our ideas come from

685
00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:38,880
we don't really know we don't know

686
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:40,260
that's what I'm trying to say us I was

687
00:29:43,580 --> 00:29:41,490
getting it earlier about you know the

688
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:43,590
psyche and splitting of the psyche all

689
00:29:48,740 --> 00:29:46,530
that is that I hold that out as a very

690
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:48,750
likely thesis much more likely than the

691
00:29:54,590 --> 00:29:51,290
Darwinian reductionist thesis because

692
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:54,600
you know we don't even know what the

693
00:30:00,799 --> 00:29:58,170
source of our stream of consciousness

694
00:30:02,419 --> 00:30:00,809
thought process is right so how are we

695
00:30:03,980 --> 00:30:02,429
going to make the third definitive

696
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:03,990
claims about oh it's absolutely

697
00:30:08,060 --> 00:30:05,370
impossible that there's a spiritual

698
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:08,070
realm or you know that we could receive

699
00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:12,090
the impressions of ideas or creativity

700
00:30:17,090 --> 00:30:14,820
from those kinds of sources right I mean

701
00:30:21,140 --> 00:30:17,100
the idea of the muse goes back as far as

702
00:30:23,540 --> 00:30:21,150
artists yes so it's interesting that and

703
00:30:26,390 --> 00:30:23,550
to talk about AI a little bit more it

704
00:30:29,299 --> 00:30:26,400
came out in 2001 probably for specific

705
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,309
reasons but do you see its messages and

706
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:31,679
themes becoming any more poignant in the

707
00:30:37,790 --> 00:30:35,330
decade plus since the film was made

708
00:30:40,730 --> 00:30:37,800
absolutely eg that's kind of why I chose

709
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:40,740
that one to be in the book then there

710
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:44,490
was probably 90 to 100

711
00:30:49,910 --> 00:30:48,090
dome analyses I believe out the maybe

712
00:30:52,610 --> 00:30:49,920
they'll make up you know part two or

713
00:30:56,180 --> 00:30:52,620
three or something but that one I chose

714
00:30:57,799 --> 00:30:56,190
because it fit with the seem that I was

715
00:31:00,890 --> 00:30:57,809
looking at from Spielberg you know

716
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:00,900
transhumanism and synthetic future and

717
00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:02,490
all this kind of stuff the synthetic

718
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:04,620
dystopia basically and so I argue that

719
00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:08,250
that AI is a kind of transhumanist fairy

720
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:11,220
tale that what he's done is taken the

721
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:15,090
Pinocchio myth and reformulated it for

722
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:17,450
modernity and again this was taken from

723
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:19,710
Kubrick this was actually a Kaku bridge

724
00:31:24,860 --> 00:31:22,170
screenplay that scoober took over and

725
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:24,870
altered and of course added in aliens

726
00:31:28,940 --> 00:31:26,490
anything with silver should have aliens

727
00:31:31,299 --> 00:31:28,950
in there but it functions I believe on

728
00:31:36,260 --> 00:31:31,309
multiple levels so it's not just about

729
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:36,270
the possibilities of AI it's also in a

730
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:39,570
nefarious sense if you notice the David

731
00:31:44,210 --> 00:31:41,580
character the AI character he's always

732
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:44,220
he's portrayed as a sort of identic

733
00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:47,370
innocent I mean he is the future of

734
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:51,000
quote humanity but he's humanity 2.0 we

735
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:53,730
make him in our image right mm-hmm

736
00:31:58,850 --> 00:31:56,690
is kind of new gods or new creators and

737
00:32:00,290 --> 00:31:58,860
I'm sure everybody seen the film so

738
00:32:02,570 --> 00:32:00,300
you're aware of the fact that humanity

739
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:02,580
dies out right and the film begins with

740
00:32:08,930 --> 00:32:05,910
this sort of eugenics green agenda21

741
00:32:11,780 --> 00:32:08,940
type message of is the earth has been

742
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:11,790
flooded from global polar ice caps

743
00:32:16,820 --> 00:32:14,250
melting or some nonsense like those and

744
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:16,830
you know there's only because sparse

745
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:20,000
human communities and the bots are

746
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:23,850
persecuted and so silver has the Box put

747
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:26,610
into a lot of these Holocaust type

748
00:32:30,890 --> 00:32:28,170
scenarios and narratives where they're

749
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:30,900
being they're being trucked off in carts

750
00:32:36,140 --> 00:32:33,090
and the other taken to the flesh fair

751
00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:36,150
which is Dante's Inferno style torture

752
00:32:41,419 --> 00:32:38,460
scenario yeah and so what I'm getting at

753
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:41,429
here is that they're treated as the new

754
00:32:48,790 --> 00:32:46,050
civil rights victims now twenty thirty

755
00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:48,800
years ago nobody would have believed

756
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:50,820
impossible right it was laughed if you

757
00:32:56,910 --> 00:32:54,450
had said we're entering the phase in the

758
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:56,920
near future where BOTS and

759
00:33:02,310 --> 00:32:59,440
and cyborgs and transhumanism with

760
00:33:03,930 --> 00:33:02,320
people who get you know body mod and all

761
00:33:06,060 --> 00:33:03,940
this kind of stuff that's actually going

762
00:33:08,970 --> 00:33:06,070
to be a new civil rights lashing the

763
00:33:11,370 --> 00:33:08,980
right or cyborgs quarters right bridge

764
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:11,380
that is now being discussed right this

765
00:33:16,980 --> 00:33:13,210
is where we're going that is going to be

766
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:16,990
what we talk about in the next decade

767
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:20,050
twenty years there will be that I'm not

768
00:33:24,810 --> 00:33:21,910
joking this is the sect so we went from

769
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:24,820
racial civil rights to gay rights and

770
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:27,310
then the next quote civil right is going

771
00:33:31,290 --> 00:33:30,010
to be related to transhumanism and maybe

772
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:31,300
I'm forgetting they're like bestiality

773
00:33:35,340 --> 00:33:33,730
or something like just going to be

774
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:35,350
challenging pedophilia that will be

775
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:38,080
discussed as a quote right and make no

776
00:33:43,230 --> 00:33:39,760
mistake about it you heard it here on

777
00:33:45,450 --> 00:33:43,240
our side chat transhumanism and cyborgs

778
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:45,460
modification will be the next right boom

779
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:48,240
and all of that I think is being

780
00:33:54,450 --> 00:33:51,970
predicted and projected in displayed in

781
00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:54,460
AI and also in you know Ridley Scott's

782
00:33:58,590 --> 00:33:56,110
Blade Runner which is another chapter in

783
00:34:00,900 --> 00:33:58,600
the book mmm and there's also quite a

784
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:00,910
bit of Kabbalistic influence in AI too

785
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:05,410
right absolutely this idea of word magic

786
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:06,970
and this is something that I did touch

787
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:10,090
on - yeah I forgot to mention themes in

788
00:34:16,409 --> 00:34:12,810
skill berg you mentioned things well

789
00:34:19,110 --> 00:34:16,419
language and meaning and interpersonal

790
00:34:21,240 --> 00:34:19,120
communication is a huge aspect of still

791
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:21,250
burg that's why if you remember in Close

792
00:34:25,470 --> 00:34:22,720
Encounters II the aliens don't know how

793
00:34:27,690 --> 00:34:25,480
to communicate with us so they have to

794
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:27,700
eventually use sound and you know they

795
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:31,810
decode the sound dude dude dude mmm that

796
00:34:36,510 --> 00:34:33,970
that becomes the form of language but

797
00:34:38,340 --> 00:34:36,520
the Lacombe character who's played by

798
00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:38,350
francois truffaut a famous french

799
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:40,510
director is based on Jacques Vallee and

800
00:34:45,690 --> 00:34:43,330
he because this message the way that he

801
00:34:47,850 --> 00:34:45,700
decodes that he hears a bunch of Hindus

802
00:34:52,919 --> 00:34:47,860
singing the sort of chant

803
00:34:53,370 --> 00:34:52,929
and if you study how Hindus view their

804
00:34:54,630 --> 00:34:53,380
chance

805
00:34:56,940 --> 00:34:54,640
they actually view it as a ritual

806
00:34:59,130 --> 00:34:56,950
invocation and so when you hit certain

807
00:35:01,920 --> 00:34:59,140
frequencies they believe through sound

808
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:01,930
you're actually harmonizing with the

809
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:05,650
wavelength where those gods reside

810
00:35:12,109 --> 00:35:09,490
so what's weird is that the chance that

811
00:35:14,099 --> 00:35:12,119
they're actually putting out is IIIA

812
00:35:16,859 --> 00:35:14,109
which is very close to the

813
00:35:19,710 --> 00:35:16,869
Tetragrammaton or Yahweh right hmm and

814
00:35:23,309 --> 00:35:19,720
course Spielberg of being Jewish and

815
00:35:25,470 --> 00:35:23,319
being aware and then I would say for

816
00:35:27,390 --> 00:35:25,480
obviously familiar with Kabul ISM I

817
00:35:29,009 --> 00:35:27,400
think that's where he's coming from

818
00:35:30,509 --> 00:35:29,019
that's the vantage point he's coming

819
00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:30,519
from and so that's where you get to the

820
00:35:36,660 --> 00:35:32,529
the argument that I make about things

821
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:36,670
like using a period I period and then

822
00:35:40,890 --> 00:35:39,130
using e period t period alright these

823
00:35:42,509 --> 00:35:40,900
are done on purpose because letters or

824
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:42,519
symbols and they also have a lot of

825
00:35:46,999 --> 00:35:44,529
different meanings in game Austria or

826
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:47,009
they can stand for different things in

827
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:51,730
different schools of Cobble ism so where

828
00:35:57,809 --> 00:35:53,410
were we going where we talking about

829
00:36:01,890 --> 00:35:57,819
cullism her cowboy nai oon a I will so

830
00:36:05,809 --> 00:36:01,900
so there's word magic in AI when his mom

831
00:36:09,180 --> 00:36:05,819
gave his mom said these magic words that

832
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:09,190
give him consciousness mm-hmm now I

833
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:10,930
think that there's a lot of different

834
00:36:14,430 --> 00:36:12,910
things you might could read from that I

835
00:36:16,289 --> 00:36:14,440
would tend to stick it in the

836
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:16,299
Kabbalistic narrative of because this is

837
00:36:20,579 --> 00:36:18,160
the idea of the goal right this is

838
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:20,589
Jewish mysticism the idea of that you

839
00:36:27,029 --> 00:36:22,960
could use different hebrew sounds and

840
00:36:29,609 --> 00:36:27,039
words and symbols to in a way be a say

841
00:36:31,950 --> 00:36:29,619
urges or be a creator and cause life

842
00:36:33,930 --> 00:36:31,960
quote-unquote to be right she also

843
00:36:35,759 --> 00:36:33,940
touches buttons on his like chakra

844
00:36:37,529 --> 00:36:35,769
points too doesn't she yes that's a

845
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:37,539
great point she touches the back of his

846
00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:40,089
neck I think sort of coal and then it

847
00:36:46,319 --> 00:36:43,420
says the magic words and he supposedly

848
00:36:49,140 --> 00:36:46,329
is quote conscious so no I don't believe

849
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:49,150
that actually we will ever create a

850
00:36:52,739 --> 00:36:51,249
conscious being like that I think it

851
00:36:56,999 --> 00:36:52,749
will always be synthetic it will always

852
00:36:58,680 --> 00:36:57,009
be in some way a kind of program any

853
00:37:01,069 --> 00:36:58,690
anything that your program is only going

854
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:01,079
to do what it's programmed to do my view

855
00:37:05,970 --> 00:37:04,210
so but I do think that you know the AI

856
00:37:08,309 --> 00:37:05,980
transhumanism to all the stuff is

857
00:37:12,029 --> 00:37:08,319
developing to the extent that people

858
00:37:14,099 --> 00:37:12,039
will believe that it's conscious and

859
00:37:16,170 --> 00:37:14,109
that it's alive and that that's how they

860
00:37:18,410 --> 00:37:16,180
will sell it as a new civil right and

861
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:18,420
then hold humanity

862
00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:22,290
man will be declared obsolete and you

863
00:37:28,130 --> 00:37:25,020
know as they promote the new man the Bob

864
00:37:30,260 --> 00:37:28,140
hmm him and I think this is so

865
00:37:32,660 --> 00:37:30,270
interesting especially this idea of

866
00:37:35,390 --> 00:37:32,670
sci-fi movies like et in Close

867
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:35,400
Encounters more the world's this idea

868
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:37,530
that they have cemented a lot of our

869
00:37:42,859 --> 00:37:40,079
thoughts about space and aliens in

870
00:37:45,470 --> 00:37:42,869
culture even more so than real science

871
00:37:48,799 --> 00:37:45,480
has and maybe it is to get us to accept

872
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:48,809
demons as cool via the alien skin but

873
00:37:53,539 --> 00:37:51,119
I've also had some guests who are pretty

874
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,549
far out there and in the Flat Earth

875
00:37:58,339 --> 00:37:55,680
territory and they would say that

876
00:38:00,530 --> 00:37:58,349
Hollywood and NASA CGI is where we get

877
00:38:03,170 --> 00:38:00,540
our ideas of outer space when really

878
00:38:04,940 --> 00:38:03,180
we're stuck in a snow globe and I don't

879
00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:04,950
think you're a flat earther but if space

880
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:07,710
is largely like its depicted in films

881
00:38:12,589 --> 00:38:09,690
are there other aspects that are being

882
00:38:14,359 --> 00:38:12,599
manipulated is it just the alien demon

883
00:38:17,900 --> 00:38:14,369
feign or do you think there's more to

884
00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:17,910
that sliver of the pie I don't I don't

885
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:21,780
believe that we really know about what

886
00:38:25,579 --> 00:38:23,910
is out there I think there's a lot of

887
00:38:27,799 --> 00:38:25,589
different series and just like what the

888
00:38:29,690 --> 00:38:27,809
psyche you know people try to have these

889
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:29,700
definitive declarations and

890
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:32,160
pronouncements about what exists and

891
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:34,010
what's possible and what's not possible

892
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:37,710
and they really don't know and I think

893
00:38:41,809 --> 00:38:39,119
that's a big part of the system is

894
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:41,819
giving the impression that they do know

895
00:38:48,380 --> 00:38:46,410
a kind of confidence game yeah when they

896
00:38:50,990 --> 00:38:48,390
don't know I mean yeah a lot of things

897
00:38:53,380 --> 00:38:51,000
we do know in terms of science but I

898
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:53,390
believe that real science and real

899
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:56,880
advancement in those regions those areas

900
00:39:00,559 --> 00:38:58,079
comes about in things like technology

901
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:00,569
and engineering computer science all

902
00:39:07,359 --> 00:39:04,079
that's those real NASA is a PR front

903
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:07,369
under the aegis of the Air Force so

904
00:39:13,940 --> 00:39:11,010
they're number one job that is that the

905
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:13,950
military is is lying to the public

906
00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:16,410
that's what psyops is yeah so you can't

907
00:39:19,579 --> 00:39:17,910
believe any of these declarations from

908
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:19,589
NASA and just look at the fact that NASA

909
00:39:24,829 --> 00:39:23,040
on the one hand promotes aliens and then

910
00:39:27,049 --> 00:39:24,839
turns around and tries to present itself

911
00:39:29,420 --> 00:39:27,059
as this totally scientific organization

912
00:39:30,980 --> 00:39:29,430
but it's not it's a PR front it's

913
00:39:32,170 --> 00:39:30,990
intimately tied with Hollywood that's

914
00:39:35,140 --> 00:39:32,180
why we're

915
00:39:38,770 --> 00:39:35,150
Scot was talking about how his movie

916
00:39:41,710 --> 00:39:38,780
Mars was released in tandem with NASA

917
00:39:43,329 --> 00:39:41,720
supposed Mars discoveries you know when

918
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:43,339
that blast Matt Damon movie came out

919
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:45,410
whenever that was like a few months ago

920
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:48,170
right James Cameron sits on the board of

921
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:51,290
NASA directors hmm what why is this

922
00:39:56,890 --> 00:39:54,770
Hollywood director sitting I mean I

923
00:39:58,240 --> 00:39:56,900
think that's all suggestive of deception

924
00:40:00,309 --> 00:39:58,250
I don't believe in the flat earth

925
00:40:03,460 --> 00:40:00,319
because of the fact that you can fly

926
00:40:06,460 --> 00:40:03,470
from Santiago to Sydney in 8 or 10 hours

927
00:40:08,829 --> 00:40:06,470
or so something like that which is

928
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:08,839
impossible on that goofy flutter map I

929
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:10,730
don't think that I mean the entire

930
00:40:15,220 --> 00:40:13,010
military and GPS and logistics would all

931
00:40:18,819 --> 00:40:15,230
be off everything would be working all

932
00:40:20,349 --> 00:40:18,829
[\h__\h] up if the earth were flat my dad

933
00:40:22,750 --> 00:40:20,359
was in the Navy he sailed around the

934
00:40:25,420 --> 00:40:22,760
globe so I think that's all bunch of

935
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:25,430
psyops and ridiculous deception in my

936
00:40:29,260 --> 00:40:27,680
view I'm fine with people questioning

937
00:40:30,579 --> 00:40:29,270
things I would tend to think that

938
00:40:32,740 --> 00:40:30,589
there's a good case to be made for

939
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:32,750
geocentrism like you could argue that

940
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:36,290
one but no I don't believe that we live

941
00:40:41,980 --> 00:40:39,890
on a pizza crust yeah I mean it's just

942
00:40:44,740 --> 00:40:41,990
interesting because if Hollywood's big

943
00:40:48,130 --> 00:40:44,750
aim is to kind of control the way we

944
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:48,140
think or to make us feel confident about

945
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:51,440
what's beyond our atmosphere yeah I just

946
00:40:55,839 --> 00:40:53,599
wonder if it's different in any way than

947
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:55,849
what's depicted in the movies I mean we

948
00:40:59,770 --> 00:40:57,920
might never know well I do believe I do

949
00:41:02,530 --> 00:40:59,780
believe that I do believe is different

950
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:02,540
than what we're told in movies but I

951
00:41:09,940 --> 00:41:07,130
think that Hollywood had its main goal

952
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:09,950
role in this regard in terms of

953
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:11,839
promoting things like Darwinism and you

954
00:41:15,370 --> 00:41:13,130
say wow there's not that many movies

955
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:15,380
that promote Darwin as actually all

956
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:18,890
science fiction movies do almost all of

957
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:21,170
them across the board 2001 Space Odyssey

958
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:25,040
is a gospel of Darwinism so I'm very I'm

959
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:27,049
very critical of that in the book and I

960
00:41:33,609 --> 00:41:29,450
don't approach Darwinism as most people

961
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:33,619
do just from like a list of arguments

962
00:41:37,870 --> 00:41:35,530
that they run online or something I

963
00:41:40,270 --> 00:41:37,880
approach it as a philosopher that was my

964
00:41:43,140 --> 00:41:40,280
you know grad training was in analytical

965
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:43,150
philosophy so I philosophically critique

966
00:41:48,030 --> 00:41:46,090
Darwinism in the book and I try to argue

967
00:41:51,540 --> 00:41:48,040
you know when you look back to figures

968
00:41:55,650 --> 00:41:51,550
like HG Wells who was committed masonic

969
00:41:58,020 --> 00:41:55,660
socialists Marxists committed why is he

970
00:41:59,730 --> 00:41:58,030
the guy who's promoting you know the new

971
00:42:01,740 --> 00:41:59,740
global revolution through science

972
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:01,750
through evolution I mean these people

973
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:03,520
are committed liars

974
00:42:08,070 --> 00:42:06,640
yeah openly so I think that's suggested

975
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:08,080
I mean nobody I think you could argue

976
00:42:12,450 --> 00:42:10,690
nobody else has had the impact on

977
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:12,460
science fiction and science fiction

978
00:42:17,490 --> 00:42:15,280
films by extension to the degree that HG

979
00:42:19,710 --> 00:42:17,500
Wells has right I'd agree with that and

980
00:42:22,260 --> 00:42:19,720
I don't know if you've seen stranger

981
00:42:24,210 --> 00:42:22,270
things on Netflix but yes I did I did a

982
00:42:26,730 --> 00:42:24,220
lengthy analysis of it you oh nice well

983
00:42:29,460 --> 00:42:26,740
what's kind of interesting about that in

984
00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:29,470
this context is it invokes all those 80

985
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:31,510
sci-fi movies like et and Close

986
00:42:36,750 --> 00:42:33,609
Encounters but yet it's very clearly

987
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:36,760
about this being this entity brought

988
00:42:42,590 --> 00:42:39,520
through a portal via MKULTRA torture so

989
00:42:45,330 --> 00:42:42,600
that's kind of interesting yeah yeah

990
00:42:47,370 --> 00:42:45,340
yeah if anybody's interested they can go

991
00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:47,380
to Jay's analysis and I think there's an

992
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:49,990
audio thing that I did and a pretty

993
00:42:54,060 --> 00:42:52,210
popular written piece that I did that I

994
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:54,070
don't got about twenty or thirty

995
00:42:57,090 --> 00:42:55,810
thousand views on that so it did really

996
00:43:00,960 --> 00:42:57,100
well it's worth checking out

997
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:00,970
oh yeah and what I argue is that it's it

998
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:03,490
combines Kabul ISM and it combines the

999
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:05,410
idea of other dimensions portals all

1000
00:43:10,170 --> 00:43:07,570
that was kind of obvious but what I

1001
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:10,180
found fascinating to begin with was that

1002
00:43:16,050 --> 00:43:13,359
what sparked this in part was a lot of

1003
00:43:17,730 --> 00:43:16,060
people in Hollywood wanting to play

1004
00:43:20,310 --> 00:43:17,740
Dungeons and Dragons believed in Iran

1005
00:43:23,849 --> 00:43:20,320
there was an article they came out and

1006
00:43:25,890 --> 00:43:23,859
oh I don't know MTV or den of geek or

1007
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:25,900
one of those Punk culture slides it was

1008
00:43:32,940 --> 00:43:29,700
talking about how the rock plays D&D

1009
00:43:35,130 --> 00:43:32,950
here so you were talking about the rock

1010
00:43:37,830 --> 00:43:35,140
earlier and I'm not making too much out

1011
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:37,840
of that but you wonder you know like we

1012
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:39,850
were talking about with actors now I

1013
00:43:44,580 --> 00:43:42,400
understand that D&D is a game I played

1014
00:43:45,870 --> 00:43:44,590
D&D when I was in high school I know all

1015
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:45,880
about how it works and all that but

1016
00:43:50,730 --> 00:43:48,970
isn't it interesting that as you were

1017
00:43:52,140 --> 00:43:50,740
saying earlier was the idea of bringing

1018
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:52,150
down the gods or something like what

1019
00:43:58,020 --> 00:43:54,880
could it also be something where people

1020
00:43:59,140 --> 00:43:58,030
believe that they are you know really

1021
00:44:03,070 --> 00:43:59,150
tapping into something

1022
00:44:04,540 --> 00:44:03,080
and that's what the thesis of you have

1023
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:04,550
stranger things is that did they sort of

1024
00:44:10,300 --> 00:44:07,730
unconsciously tap into this portal this

1025
00:44:12,010 --> 00:44:10,310
realm through the D&D game yeah now I

1026
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:12,020
don't I'm not approaching this like a

1027
00:44:15,370 --> 00:44:13,520
fundamentalist and saying that oh if you

1028
00:44:17,770 --> 00:44:15,380
play D&D you're going to like open up

1029
00:44:19,420 --> 00:44:17,780
the gate to hell is anything like that

1030
00:44:21,970 --> 00:44:19,430
but it does pose that interesting

1031
00:44:23,860 --> 00:44:21,980
question of can we metal with and tap

1032
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:23,870
into forces or be honest that we don't

1033
00:44:27,940 --> 00:44:25,610
understand yeah man

1034
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:27,950
it's interesting so what about let's

1035
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:29,510
another movie let's talk about The

1036
00:44:33,340 --> 00:44:31,760
Goonies another Spielberg movie seems

1037
00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:33,350
pretty simple and innocent enough on the

1038
00:44:39,250 --> 00:44:35,150
surface but there is more when you dig

1039
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:39,260
deeper right yeah I didn't make a good

1040
00:44:44,050 --> 00:44:42,050
Neeson make it into the book but I wrote

1041
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:44,060
an analysis of it about a month ago and

1042
00:44:48,340 --> 00:44:46,970
it was just one that had always been you

1043
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:48,350
know intending to get to and I never

1044
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:53,330
really got to it until I was reading for

1045
00:44:57,310 --> 00:44:55,280
spring Mars book I've read it like 10

1046
00:44:59,200 --> 00:44:57,320
years ago and kind of forgot about it I

1047
00:45:02,230 --> 00:44:59,210
got that back out and I was looking at

1048
00:45:03,810 --> 00:45:02,240
that and his chapter on the afters made

1049
00:45:08,740 --> 00:45:03,820
me think now wait a minute

1050
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:08,750
Goonies is about Astoria so I read all

1051
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:10,640
of France's chapter which was fairly

1052
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:14,210
well sourced and then watched Goonies

1053
00:45:19,330 --> 00:45:17,510
again and I lo and behold notice a whole

1054
00:45:22,030 --> 00:45:19,340
bunch of things I'd never ever noticed

1055
00:45:25,420 --> 00:45:22,040
before the first of which would be that

1056
00:45:27,730 --> 00:45:25,430
when you look into the actual documented

1057
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:27,740
history of John Jacob Astor and the

1058
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:30,410
Astor family all of that stuff is true

1059
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:32,210
he was a high-level freemason

1060
00:45:36,070 --> 00:45:34,310
Grandmaster of a New York Lodge

1061
00:45:39,580 --> 00:45:36,080
I believe he took his occultism

1062
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:39,590
seriously but he was also a high level

1063
00:45:45,610 --> 00:45:42,770
drug trader hmm so that's all true so

1064
00:45:47,740 --> 00:45:45,620
the stories of him going from the fur

1065
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:47,750
trade to the drug trade put it through

1066
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:50,690
shipping that's all true and you can

1067
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:52,490
find the public documentation of all

1068
00:45:57,130 --> 00:45:54,890
that brett dam which i linked in my in

1069
00:45:58,980 --> 00:45:57,140
my article so that was interesting so i

1070
00:46:02,500 --> 00:45:58,990
wasn't sure how to read that in a lot of

1071
00:46:04,780 --> 00:46:02,510
Goonies but then when I rewatched it you

1072
00:46:06,670 --> 00:46:04,790
notice that the Goonies are kind of

1073
00:46:10,090 --> 00:46:06,680
going on this sort of national treasure

1074
00:46:12,970 --> 00:46:10,100
Nick Cage type journey to decode the

1075
00:46:14,890 --> 00:46:12,980
Masonic history of their city yeah

1076
00:46:17,650 --> 00:46:14,900
that's Toria and that's what they do and

1077
00:46:21,099 --> 00:46:17,660
they discover Oh actually we're founded

1078
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:21,109
by a bunch of scallywag pirates now so

1079
00:46:25,930 --> 00:46:24,050
how is that relevant well as we know

1080
00:46:28,270 --> 00:46:25,940
from you know people like Jordan Maxwell

1081
00:46:30,670 --> 00:46:28,280
I mean the Jolly Roger flag is the flag

1082
00:46:32,890 --> 00:46:30,680
of skullenbones because it's the flag of

1083
00:46:36,580 --> 00:46:32,900
we're not bound by any of your laws

1084
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:36,590
we're transnational so when Schoen bones

1085
00:46:42,849 --> 00:46:39,200
in the OSS and these people took over

1086
00:46:45,099 --> 00:46:42,859
that Jolly Roger symbol they were saying

1087
00:46:46,780 --> 00:46:45,109
we are internationalist we will run this

1088
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:46,790
drug trade outside of your national laws

1089
00:46:49,660 --> 00:46:48,770
we're not bound by any of your you know

1090
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:49,670
stupid rules

1091
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:53,090
we are the true elite outsiders and so

1092
00:46:58,260 --> 00:46:55,850
it's funny and ironic about Goonies is

1093
00:47:02,470 --> 00:46:58,270
that the Goonies are going to have their

1094
00:47:04,090 --> 00:47:02,480
the house is all foreclosed on and a was

1095
00:47:07,930 --> 00:47:04,100
a Country Club is going to be building

1096
00:47:09,940 --> 00:47:07,940
golf course right and so they're the

1097
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:09,950
outsiders who actually discover the

1098
00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:11,810
jewels and then yeah they're able to

1099
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:13,910
save the family and all that custom so

1100
00:47:20,620 --> 00:47:16,640
the IRA it's just ironic that they are

1101
00:47:23,620 --> 00:47:20,630
the alienated outsider youth that

1102
00:47:26,890 --> 00:47:23,630
identify with the Pirates when they

1103
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:26,900
decode the big Masonic myth of Astoria

1104
00:47:32,590 --> 00:47:29,930
they find the treasure and they're able

1105
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:32,600
to you know what presumably they're

1106
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:34,970
wealthy I guess because they he still

1107
00:47:41,260 --> 00:47:38,240
ends up jewel like a bag of them if you

1108
00:47:44,830 --> 00:47:41,270
remember it and so anyway I just

1109
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:44,840
I saw all that weirdness going on that's

1110
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:45,650
how I read it

1111
00:47:50,170 --> 00:47:47,770
and there's also some weird kind of

1112
00:47:52,180 --> 00:47:50,180
phallic references and Goonies which I'm

1113
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:52,190
not sure what to make of but yeah you

1114
00:47:57,340 --> 00:47:54,890
know yeah when we think about that in

1115
00:48:01,720 --> 00:47:57,350
light of what Corey Feldman said you

1116
00:48:07,359 --> 00:48:03,760
the eye was something I was going to ask

1117
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:07,369
you about later on it was pizza gate

1118
00:48:13,330 --> 00:48:09,920
kind of because child pedophilia in

1119
00:48:16,270 --> 00:48:13,340
Hollywood has been a theme in conspiracy

1120
00:48:17,950 --> 00:48:16,280
for a long time not only claims of

1121
00:48:20,170 --> 00:48:17,960
passing around child actors but also

1122
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:20,180
having underage kids play prostitutes

1123
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:22,490
and stuff like that you're the political

1124
00:48:25,420 --> 00:48:23,810
and Hollywood elite are very

1125
00:48:26,530 --> 00:48:25,430
interrelated I'm curious what are your

1126
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:26,540
thoughts on

1127
00:48:31,330 --> 00:48:28,160
the pizza gate scandal or Hollywood's

1128
00:48:33,850 --> 00:48:31,340
role in the abuse of children yeah I

1129
00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:33,860
think it did three or four audios on

1130
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:36,710
PGA's so if anybody wants like a fuller

1131
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:38,450
breakdown they can check those out but

1132
00:48:45,330 --> 00:48:41,330
sure but yeah I mean I think that it was

1133
00:48:47,740 --> 00:48:45,340
pretty clear that there was some kind of

1134
00:48:50,020 --> 00:48:47,750
black-market operation going on that

1135
00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:50,030
dealt with perhaps at least gay

1136
00:48:55,060 --> 00:48:51,710
prostitutes or something like that I

1137
00:48:57,550 --> 00:48:55,070
mean that's very popular in the DC scene

1138
00:48:59,890 --> 00:48:57,560
and that would also be connected to

1139
00:49:01,810 --> 00:48:59,900
things like cocaine and drug use and all

1140
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:01,820
that and code words and all that so I

1141
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:04,160
know that I know all the arguments and

1142
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:06,290
everything about you know what a lot of

1143
00:49:10,810 --> 00:49:07,610
code words mean and all this kind of

1144
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:10,820
stuff but I don't know if there's

1145
00:49:15,580 --> 00:49:14,090
definitive proof and you know that could

1146
00:49:18,370 --> 00:49:15,590
have been intentional they could have

1147
00:49:21,940 --> 00:49:18,380
put something out it wasn't definitively

1148
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:21,950
proven but what you can prove is you

1149
00:49:27,610 --> 00:49:24,050
know Laura Silsbee did get in trouble

1150
00:49:29,110 --> 00:49:27,620
for going to Haiti and trying to bring a

1151
00:49:31,570 --> 00:49:29,120
bunch of kids out of Haiti you can prove

1152
00:49:33,070 --> 00:49:31,580
that and yeah you can prove that she was

1153
00:49:35,890 --> 00:49:33,080
connected to the Clinton Foundation you

1154
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:35,900
can show that John Podesta made a lot of

1155
00:49:41,050 --> 00:49:39,680
weird statements and you know what does

1156
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:41,060
it mean when they're talking about a hot

1157
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:44,930
tub and yeah he's a hot tub

1158
00:49:51,340 --> 00:49:49,330
yeah so it's hard to say exactly what

1159
00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:51,350
definitively what it is they might you

1160
00:49:55,860 --> 00:49:54,110
know but was that a plan to SIOP the

1161
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:55,870
alternative media I don't know but

1162
00:50:01,390 --> 00:49:58,490
ultimately we don't need quote Pete

1163
00:50:03,940 --> 00:50:01,400
seagate to know that this kind of stuff

1164
00:50:06,070 --> 00:50:03,950
is true because there's like a dozen

1165
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:06,080
other cases of the exact same thing

1166
00:50:10,690 --> 00:50:08,570
right okay so I'm not saying by

1167
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:10,700
admitting that I don't know exactly what

1168
00:50:15,010 --> 00:50:12,890
the situation PV is that's not true I'm

1169
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:15,020
just saying that I wouldn't be surprised

1170
00:50:18,460 --> 00:50:16,490
because there's so many other cases

1171
00:50:20,740 --> 00:50:18,470
we've got Sabol you've got the do trow a

1172
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:20,750
fair in Belgium you've got Franklin

1173
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:22,970
cover-up Craig spent you know Johnny

1174
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:25,970
Gosch the White House you know there's

1175
00:50:28,930 --> 00:50:27,410
like and there's a whole slew of other

1176
00:50:29,380 --> 00:50:28,940
books that you could find about this

1177
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:29,390
kind of stuff

1178
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,040
pedophilia in the Catholic Church when

1179
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:33,680
Kennedy's book Lucifer's Lodge Malachi

1180
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:34,970
Martin's books have talked about it I

1181
00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:36,110
mean there's this book after book after

1182
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:37,910
book that have already dealt with this

1183
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:38,930
matter right

1184
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:41,810
and I agree with you that you don't need

1185
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:44,240
pizza gate it's just kind of one example

1186
00:50:49,570 --> 00:50:47,330
of a theme that seems to be there for

1187
00:50:51,550 --> 00:50:49,580
sure and a lot of times you can get a

1188
00:50:53,140 --> 00:50:51,560
better beat on things by looking at the

1189
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:53,150
aftermath and it wasn't really until

1190
00:50:58,030 --> 00:50:55,310
that shooter went into comment pizza I

1191
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:58,040
was like oh okay so you put out a lot of

1192
00:51:02,860 --> 00:51:01,040
smoke that's unprovable you then put do

1193
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:02,870
a false flag where a guy goes in with a

1194
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:05,330
gun and then you say okay we got to

1195
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:07,010
crack down on these alternative news

1196
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:09,530
sites because continuously is dangerous

1197
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:12,170
now it's not just goofy and wrong it's

1198
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:14,690
actually dangerous to even discuss stuff

1199
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:18,050
that doesn't come from CNN MSNBC so I

1200
00:51:22,900 --> 00:51:20,570
totally see that being a possibility for

1201
00:51:25,540 --> 00:51:22,910
the agenda there yeah and I'm not I'm

1202
00:51:27,490 --> 00:51:25,550
just I totally agree like as a thesis

1203
00:51:30,370 --> 00:51:27,500
mm-hmm you know I mean like I could see

1204
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:30,380
that thesis I could also see the thesis

1205
00:51:35,020 --> 00:51:33,050
that this was a real operation going on

1206
00:51:38,050 --> 00:51:35,030
you know is all the more stuff

1207
00:51:40,030 --> 00:51:38,060
imaginable yeah but I just don't

1208
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:40,040
personally know we but what we do know

1209
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:42,530
is that you know there's court cases

1210
00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:45,440
involving Epstein in his island and all

1211
00:51:51,220 --> 00:51:47,510
the Clinton trips gone you know the

1212
00:51:53,170 --> 00:51:51,230
Epstein pedophile playing and little st.

1213
00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:53,180
James I mean that that's know of course

1214
00:51:59,200 --> 00:51:56,510
man so we've talked about this idea that

1215
00:52:01,360 --> 00:51:59,210
themes and film can give us an idea of

1216
00:52:03,100 --> 00:52:01,370
what might be coming even a decade

1217
00:52:06,670 --> 00:52:03,110
beforehand sometimes

1218
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:06,680
are there any newer film trends you see

1219
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:10,730
coming that concern you yeah let's see I

1220
00:52:17,860 --> 00:52:13,490
was trying to think of what size five

1221
00:52:19,210 --> 00:52:17,870
type things as seeing recently that mm

1222
00:52:22,420 --> 00:52:19,220
that hinted at that kind of stuff

1223
00:52:24,370 --> 00:52:22,430
because yeah I like I said I think you

1224
00:52:27,010 --> 00:52:24,380
when you look back to something like AI

1225
00:52:29,170 --> 00:52:27,020
or Minority Report

1226
00:52:33,220 --> 00:52:29,180
you know like in Minority Report you're

1227
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:33,230
seeing targeted advertising and you know

1228
00:52:39,340 --> 00:52:34,730
retinal scanning all that kind of stuff

1229
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:39,350
that was new to you know 2001 or to all

1230
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:42,410
that kind of stuff we're seeing more

1231
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:46,640
prevalent now right and so in AI you see

1232
00:52:50,859 --> 00:52:48,530
sexbots this is all in the news now

1233
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:50,869
right they're rolling out the sexbots

1234
00:52:56,109 --> 00:52:53,839
this was in enemy of the state it was in

1235
00:52:59,400 --> 00:52:56,119
it was an AI was in Blade Runner

1236
00:53:02,049 --> 00:52:59,410
some of the replicants respect spots so

1237
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:02,059
I'm trying to think of recent sci-fi

1238
00:53:06,339 --> 00:53:03,890
movies that I've seen that might have

1239
00:53:07,809 --> 00:53:06,349
new aspects of predictive programming

1240
00:53:09,460 --> 00:53:07,819
but off the top of my head actually I

1241
00:53:11,740 --> 00:53:09,470
can't right now well there's you know

1242
00:53:14,319 --> 00:53:11,750
the two new Star Wars movies I guess we

1243
00:53:16,420 --> 00:53:14,329
already talked about arrival I haven't

1244
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:16,430
seen all that many sci-fi movies in the

1245
00:53:22,450 --> 00:53:20,240
past year to either yeah and I think as

1246
00:53:25,089 --> 00:53:22,460
I said like arrival and Star Trek and I

1247
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:25,099
mean these kind of just have the the

1248
00:53:30,250 --> 00:53:28,880
more globalist minded propaganda you

1249
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:30,260
know anyone that's opposing this and I

1250
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:32,210
if you can be we mentioned RAND

1251
00:53:36,130 --> 00:53:34,130
Corporation earlier RAND Corporation has

1252
00:53:37,150 --> 00:53:36,140
a direct connection to Star Trek they

1253
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:37,160
were into some of the RAND Corporation

1254
00:53:42,010 --> 00:53:40,010
people were involved in brainstorming

1255
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:42,020
ideas and based on stuff that was in

1256
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:44,450
Star Trek you can find we find papers on

1257
00:53:47,859 --> 00:53:45,770
that at the RAND Corporation so I'm not

1258
00:53:50,319 --> 00:53:47,869
making that up and what's the whole idea

1259
00:53:53,220 --> 00:53:50,329
of Star Trek is well we've got to have a

1260
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:53,230
federation that can rule all these

1261
00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:54,559
unruly

1262
00:53:57,940 --> 00:53:56,569
you know independent existing people

1263
00:54:00,160 --> 00:53:57,950
groups all right I mean that's just

1264
00:54:01,539 --> 00:54:00,170
globalism 101 and then Gene Roddenberry

1265
00:54:02,829 --> 00:54:01,549
would actually talk about that openly he

1266
00:54:03,940 --> 00:54:02,839
would say you know I'm all for global

1267
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:03,950
government we got to have a neutral

1268
00:54:08,829 --> 00:54:06,400
order this is the only way to do things

1269
00:54:10,210 --> 00:54:08,839
you know though the way we do this is to

1270
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:10,220
get rid of all these people thinking

1271
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,890
that there's a God and that they have

1272
00:54:16,420 --> 00:54:14,960
their own traditions and that's all just

1273
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:16,430
going to be wiped away and we'll have

1274
00:54:24,750 --> 00:54:20,930
you know the holodeck well there you go

1275
00:54:28,569 --> 00:54:24,760
so holodeck and VR that's what's coming

1276
00:54:31,630 --> 00:54:28,579
yeah and so I'm trying to think of other

1277
00:54:33,130 --> 00:54:31,640
movies I saw excellent Apocalypse I

1278
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:33,140
thought that was pretty interesting just

1279
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:36,410
because the apocalypse character talks

1280
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:39,410
about being something ancient like

1281
00:54:44,410 --> 00:54:41,119
there's a character who asks who are you

1282
00:54:46,779 --> 00:54:44,420
and he's like yellow hem rah I've been

1283
00:54:48,910 --> 00:54:46,789
called many names over many lifetimes I

1284
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:48,920
am born of death I was there to spark

1285
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:51,920
and fan the flame of man's awakening to

1286
00:54:55,220 --> 00:54:53,930
spin the wheel of civilization and when

1287
00:54:56,810 --> 00:54:55,230
the forest would grow

1288
00:54:59,330 --> 00:54:56,820
ranked and needed clearing for new

1289
00:55:02,349 --> 00:54:59,340
growth I was there to set it ablaze and

1290
00:55:04,609 --> 00:55:02,359
I'd think that's a pretty awesome

1291
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:04,619
dialogue but it's also pretty

1292
00:55:08,690 --> 00:55:06,960
interesting yeah actually

1293
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:08,700
young glad you mentioned that because I

1294
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:11,490
have written on Avengers and Marvel

1295
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:15,690
stuff and x-men is on my list to get to

1296
00:55:20,750 --> 00:55:18,330
actually but if you go and read my my

1297
00:55:21,830 --> 00:55:20,760
takes on Captain America and Avengers

1298
00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:21,840
and all that I think there's three or

1299
00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:23,910
four articles I've done on those it

1300
00:55:28,310 --> 00:55:25,710
would be kind of the same teams because

1301
00:55:30,590 --> 00:55:28,320
you got like if you saw excellent first

1302
00:55:32,570 --> 00:55:30,600
class that was crazy because they're

1303
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:32,580
like working with the CIA are a CIA

1304
00:55:37,130 --> 00:55:34,770
project which is mind-blowing

1305
00:55:38,660 --> 00:55:37,140
so all that's revealed and I do think

1306
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:38,670
there's truth to this you know hope the

1307
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:40,650
whole Super Soldier idea and I have

1308
00:55:46,820 --> 00:55:42,960
Chris Noel's book it's pretty good so

1309
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:46,830
I'm glad you referenced him but I just

1310
00:55:50,330 --> 00:55:48,570
haven't seen apocalypse yet but I I

1311
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:50,340
didn't know what to you I was lost

1312
00:55:54,020 --> 00:55:52,410
actually in the last x-men the one

1313
00:55:57,859 --> 00:55:54,030
before that did where they went back to

1314
00:55:59,330 --> 00:55:57,869
back in time and yeah like JFK era and

1315
00:56:01,280 --> 00:55:59,340
I'm like what what is going on here

1316
00:56:03,650 --> 00:56:01,290
they're interacting with Nixon and JFK

1317
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:03,660
and alternate timelines and it just kind

1318
00:56:09,230 --> 00:56:06,450
of lost me and the confusion and I

1319
00:56:11,540 --> 00:56:09,240
didn't think it was that great but but

1320
00:56:13,940 --> 00:56:11,550
there is absolutely right to point out

1321
00:56:18,410 --> 00:56:13,950
x-men and Marvel and all that because

1322
00:56:20,090 --> 00:56:18,420
they're just rife with everything I all

1323
00:56:22,940 --> 00:56:20,100
I can say is just check out my analyses

1324
00:56:26,270 --> 00:56:22,950
on those movies adjacent houses yeah and

1325
00:56:29,090 --> 00:56:26,280
there were a lot of bombs when it comes

1326
00:56:32,510 --> 00:56:29,100
to sci-fi in the last year there was the

1327
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:32,520
remake of I mean the sequel of

1328
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:34,770
Independence Day there was that movie

1329
00:56:39,410 --> 00:56:36,330
that I thought looked interesting gods

1330
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:39,420
of Egypt that was apparently terrible so

1331
00:56:43,099 --> 00:56:41,280
the only one I've heard that was good

1332
00:56:44,660 --> 00:56:43,109
that I haven't seen is the fifth wave

1333
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:44,670
I've heard that has some pretty

1334
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:46,650
interesting stuff in it because the

1335
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:49,530
first four waves are like first they

1336
00:56:51,770 --> 00:56:50,850
create you know if there's an alien

1337
00:56:53,540 --> 00:56:51,780
invasion

1338
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and there's five waves of it the first

1339
00:56:59,840 --> 00:56:56,460
wave is create darkness then widespread

1340
00:57:01,640 --> 00:56:59,850
destruction then infection then invasion

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00:57:03,380 --> 00:57:01,650
and then the fifth wave is actually once

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00:57:06,340 --> 00:57:03,390
the planet is in it's weakened state

1343
00:57:08,839 --> 00:57:06,350
then you swoop in and just take it

1344
00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:08,849
interesting yeah actually I did see

1345
00:57:13,700 --> 00:57:11,369
that movie advertised but I didn't

1346
00:57:16,430 --> 00:57:13,710
actually watch it and the reason for

1347
00:57:19,999 --> 00:57:16,440
that is that what I'm having to do right

1348
00:57:22,670 --> 00:57:20,009
now is prep for the TV show that J

1349
00:57:24,140 --> 00:57:22,680
Weiner and I are going to do and we're

1350
00:57:29,059 --> 00:57:24,150
working on the first season it's going

1351
00:57:30,979 --> 00:57:29,069
to be 13 or 14 episodes of first Ridley

1352
00:57:33,559 --> 00:57:30,989
Scott then David Lynch movies in

1353
00:57:35,269 --> 00:57:33,569
Spielberg's and Kubrick then the matrix

1354
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:35,279
and the x-files because for no.1 movies

1355
00:57:38,450 --> 00:57:37,920
James Cameron Roman Polanski bond Twin

1356
00:57:40,519 --> 00:57:38,460
Peaks

1357
00:57:43,370 --> 00:57:40,529
true detective Godfather DaVinci Code

1358
00:57:45,130 --> 00:57:43,380
and then we're going to do an episode

1359
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:45,140
called Gnostic cinema which is

1360
00:57:50,450 --> 00:57:48,089
snowpiercer Westworld and dark City so

1361
00:57:52,789 --> 00:57:50,460
what I'm having to do right now is and

1362
00:57:54,620 --> 00:57:52,799
this I just got this information a

1363
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:54,630
couple days ago so I don't even have

1364
00:58:00,799 --> 00:57:58,079
time really to like watch the fun movies

1365
00:58:03,799 --> 00:58:00,809
that want to I have to sit and rewatch

1366
00:58:06,349 --> 00:58:03,809
all these over and over and kind of plot

1367
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:06,359
out what we want to do with each one of

1368
00:58:10,460 --> 00:58:07,650
these episodes and where we want to take

1369
00:58:12,979 --> 00:58:10,470
it so so that's what I'm working on and

1370
00:58:15,890 --> 00:58:12,989
our show will be I think in running in

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00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:15,900
April on Gaia TV very cool that's

1372
00:58:20,180 --> 00:58:16,529
exciting

1373
00:58:22,219 --> 00:58:20,190
well right on man it's always great to

1374
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:22,229
talk to you I'll enjoyed it last time

1375
00:58:26,719 --> 00:58:24,960
this has been a blast - I like a guy who

1376
00:58:28,339 --> 00:58:26,729
knows a [\h__\h] and you are one of those

1377
00:58:30,349 --> 00:58:28,349
guys so I'm screwed

1378
00:58:32,989 --> 00:58:30,359
you got it and before we close the books

1379
00:58:35,569 --> 00:58:32,999
let the good people know where they can

1380
00:58:38,420 --> 00:58:35,579
further scratch the Jade IOH if they do

1381
00:58:41,870 --> 00:58:38,430
want some more yeah you can go to Jays

1382
00:58:44,269 --> 00:58:41,880
analysis calm no apostrophe and I think

1383
00:58:47,390 --> 00:58:44,279
I have there's over a thousand posts

1384
00:58:48,979 --> 00:58:47,400
there I've got over six or seven hundred

1385
00:58:51,229 --> 00:58:48,989
articles I've written one hundred and

1386
00:58:52,579 --> 00:58:51,239
twenty or thirty movie reviews and you

1387
00:58:54,140 --> 00:58:52,589
can find all that information there else

1388
00:58:56,329 --> 00:58:54,150
to do a podcast for the last year that's

1389
00:58:58,219 --> 00:58:56,339
gotten pretty pretty good traction now

1390
00:58:59,390 --> 00:58:58,229
you can find all the three hours and

1391
00:59:01,400 --> 00:58:59,400
then if you want to hear the full

1392
00:59:02,690 --> 00:59:01,410
lectures talks interviews I also do

1393
00:59:06,769 --> 00:59:02,700
lectures on things like treasuring Oh

1394
00:59:08,269 --> 00:59:06,779
Plato's Republic you can subscribe to

1395
00:59:10,339 --> 00:59:08,279
Jays analysis for four ninety-five a

1396
00:59:12,380 --> 00:59:10,349
month or $60 a year and if you want the

1397
00:59:14,839 --> 00:59:12,390
book esoteric Hollywood sex cults and

1398
00:59:17,809 --> 00:59:14,849
symbols in film you can there's a PayPal

1399
00:59:19,729 --> 00:59:17,819
button there and I do outside the US and

1400
00:59:22,730 --> 00:59:19,739
inside the US and they are all signed

1401
00:59:25,790 --> 00:59:22,740
copies so I've got 25

1402
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:25,800
our ratings on Amazon so far the books

1403
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:27,930
only been out a month and it hit number

1404
00:59:33,980 --> 00:59:30,330
one in Amazon's film and Hollywood

1405
00:59:36,290 --> 00:59:33,990
category so boom and it is always best

1406
00:59:39,410 --> 00:59:36,300
to get the books directly from the

1407
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:39,420
author if you can to cut out that um you

1408
00:59:44,300 --> 00:59:41,490
know monolithic Amazon middleman right

1409
00:59:46,130 --> 00:59:44,310
exactly yes thank you it does help me

1410
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:46,140
out a lot of you'll order direct from me

1411
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:48,450
and I ship those out every day so it

1412
00:59:53,390 --> 00:59:50,850
doesn't take that one right on well

1413
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:53,400
awesome man always a pleasure I guess

1414
00:59:56,330 --> 00:59:54,720
that brings us to the end of the show

1415
00:59:59,600 --> 00:59:56,340
take care of yourself out there all

1416
01:00:01,609 --> 00:59:59,610
right thank you you got it all right

1417
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:01,619
guys fun stuff

1418
01:00:05,900 --> 01:00:03,810
I really do like the Hollywood breakdown

1419
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:05,910
guests because I've grown up being such

1420
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:08,850
a media junkie and even though we all

1421
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:11,130
know it's a very persuasive tool I think

1422
01:00:15,020 --> 01:00:12,960
there are always new elements to

1423
01:00:17,420 --> 01:00:15,030
discover and I really think Jay is one

1424
01:00:20,330 --> 01:00:17,430
of the best guys focusing on this area I

1425
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:20,340
like Mark Devlin for music and Jay Dyer

1426
01:00:24,500 --> 01:00:22,050
for movies and I thought a lot of great

1427
01:00:27,770 --> 01:00:24,510
stuff was covered today probably most

1428
01:00:30,770 --> 01:00:27,780
memorable for me is the idea of ET being

1429
01:00:32,359 --> 01:00:30,780
about a conjured up spirit entity more

1430
01:00:35,150 --> 01:00:32,369
than a space alien

1431
01:00:37,070 --> 01:00:35,160
it sort of strengthens the narrative of

1432
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:37,080
a concerted effort to put certain ideas

1433
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:39,450
into the culture about reality outside

1434
01:00:45,230 --> 01:00:41,970
of our immediate environment and beings

1435
01:00:47,390 --> 01:00:45,240
beyond it an effort to depict magic

1436
01:00:50,060 --> 01:00:47,400
ritual and entities and paint it with

1437
01:00:53,300 --> 01:00:50,070
the brush of science space and aliens

1438
01:00:56,599 --> 01:00:53,310
it's a curious case to make because you

1439
01:00:58,730 --> 01:00:56,609
have to ask the why why would this be an

1440
01:01:01,540 --> 01:00:58,740
agenda in Hollywood with cooperation

1441
01:01:04,340 --> 01:01:01,550
from NASA and military intelligence and

1442
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:04,350
also a flooding of the alternative world

1443
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:06,480
with a bunch of space alien pushers too

1444
01:01:11,390 --> 01:01:08,010
if you think that's a part of it

1445
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:11,400
some do it's very strange some would say

1446
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:13,680
it's because the elite were laying a

1447
01:01:18,580 --> 01:01:15,450
base because they planned a stage a

1448
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:18,590
false-flag alien invasion in the future

1449
01:01:23,810 --> 01:01:21,119
first to fight nations like the two

1450
01:01:26,140 --> 01:01:23,820
world wars then you fight ideas like

1451
01:01:28,580 --> 01:01:26,150
terrorism and then you fight a

1452
01:01:33,500 --> 01:01:28,590
completely fabricated enemy that you

1453
01:01:36,830 --> 01:01:33,510
completely control with 100% autonomy

1454
01:01:39,770 --> 01:01:36,840
maybe people do say that but I always

1455
01:01:41,150 --> 01:01:39,780
found it to be a bit far-fetched now if

1456
01:01:42,859 --> 01:01:41,160
you're a flat earth or you already know

1457
01:01:45,050 --> 01:01:42,869
why the directors are doing this

1458
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:45,060
obviously they're crafting the space

1459
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:47,210
concept for the collective consciousness

1460
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:50,130
projecting the futile possibility that

1461
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:52,050
we can actually rise beyond the dome

1462
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:54,090
that encapsulates this island earth a

1463
01:01:57,890 --> 01:01:57,450
full spectrum deception of the highest

1464
01:02:02,750 --> 01:01:57,900
order

1465
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:02,760
the lie of lies maybe I'm also not a

1466
01:02:06,650 --> 01:02:05,130
flat earth guy but I will meet you in

1467
01:02:09,140 --> 01:02:06,660
the middle and say that I love the

1468
01:02:11,390 --> 01:02:09,150
prison planet concept about as much as

1469
01:02:14,030 --> 01:02:11,400
the Hollow Earth and you could fit this

1470
01:02:16,820 --> 01:02:14,040
stuff in that box or it might be as

1471
01:02:19,250 --> 01:02:16,830
simple as trying to expose the masses to

1472
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:19,260
occult entities in ISA Taric rituals and

1473
01:02:25,780 --> 01:02:21,930
their Kabbalistic belief system on the

1474
01:02:28,580 --> 01:02:25,790
DL to Trojan horse the masses in vehicle

1475
01:02:30,790 --> 01:02:28,590
could be but the lens of space and

1476
01:02:33,470 --> 01:02:30,800
aliens does seem suspiciously

1477
01:02:35,570 --> 01:02:33,480
significant doesn't it maybe we'll never

1478
01:02:37,460 --> 01:02:35,580
know exactly what motivates that machine

1479
01:02:40,580 --> 01:02:37,470
but I think it's pretty clear that those

1480
01:02:44,330 --> 01:02:40,590
top directors Spielberg Kubrick Cameron

1481
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:44,340
they serve an important function I can't

1482
01:02:49,370 --> 01:02:46,770
claim to know what it is fully

1483
01:02:52,460 --> 01:02:49,380
and even James seems pretty flexible as

1484
01:02:54,740 --> 01:02:52,470
to the whys which is great because it's

1485
01:02:57,470 --> 01:02:54,750
very arrogant to think we'll ever get it

1486
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:57,480
100% all we really can do is hold up

1487
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:00,240
different pieces look them over and see

1488
01:03:04,250 --> 01:03:02,400
which ones fit better than others which

1489
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:04,260
perspectives and threads we have a

1490
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:06,240
tighter tapestry to get us closer to the

1491
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:06,810
truth

1492
01:03:10,940 --> 01:03:08,730
but we're born into a completely

1493
01:03:13,310 --> 01:03:10,950
different world shaped by think tanks

1494
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:13,320
wealthy industrialists and international

1495
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:15,090
banking oligarchs who all have an

1496
01:03:21,770 --> 01:03:18,000
interesting preoccupation with some

1497
01:03:25,580 --> 01:03:21,780
occult belief system right right

1498
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:25,590
well [\h__\h] AJ Dyer if you like the

1499
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:27,119
stuff we talked about in the first hour

1500
01:03:31,340 --> 01:03:29,280
in the Plus show we got into stuff like

1501
01:03:33,859 --> 01:03:31,350
predictive programming and the trump

1502
01:03:36,770 --> 01:03:33,869
presidency specifically and back to the

1503
01:03:39,170 --> 01:03:36,780
future and grim ones too and you know I

1504
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:39,180
was unaware that Jay had decided to

1505
01:03:43,370 --> 01:03:41,130
throw his hat in Trump's ring and I

1506
01:03:46,310 --> 01:03:43,380
really don't care or judge him for it

1507
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:46,320
it's just that everyone is so polarized

1508
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:49,770
now listener wise so a lot of people are

1509
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:53,130
like keeping score with the guest trying

1510
01:03:57,830 --> 01:03:55,530
to make sure that their team is equally

1511
01:04:00,080 --> 01:03:57,840
represented don't be like that

1512
01:04:01,700 --> 01:04:00,090
some people are score me way to the

1513
01:04:03,620 --> 01:04:01,710
right and that is not fair because

1514
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:03,630
they're given right wing points for the

1515
01:04:09,260 --> 01:04:06,450
pizza gate shows and that is an elite

1516
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:09,270
issue not a right verse left one I will

1517
01:04:14,780 --> 01:04:12,690
not accept those points and it's going

1518
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:14,790
to come up it's coming up everywhere you

1519
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:16,290
look but I'm spending less time on

1520
01:04:24,050 --> 01:04:20,010
political topics and more on just the

1521
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:24,060
fringe where we belong but really you

1522
01:04:28,099 --> 01:04:26,490
shouldn't care about either political

1523
01:04:30,740 --> 01:04:28,109
side or at least you should be able to

1524
01:04:33,740 --> 01:04:30,750
separate and appreciate a person's

1525
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:33,750
expertise and just sort of recognize

1526
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:36,210
their worldview the lens as they look

1527
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:38,970
through I mean consider that in what

1528
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,730
they say and then just see what you can

1529
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:43,680
pull out and apply to your own paradigm

1530
01:04:48,140 --> 01:04:46,170
it's not really about every little thing

1531
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:48,150
or writing someone off completely

1532
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:50,490
because they see one of about an

1533
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:52,650
infinite number of issues differently

1534
01:04:56,780 --> 01:04:55,200
than you do or they take religion more

1535
01:04:59,000 --> 01:04:56,790
seriously than you do

1536
01:05:00,920 --> 01:04:59,010
you know how I am on religion I still

1537
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:00,930
have guests that hold it D

1538
01:05:05,530 --> 01:05:02,490
if I think there's something I can

1539
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:05,540
appreciate about their work otherwise

1540
01:05:11,780 --> 01:05:09,330
but anyway we talked about a lot of

1541
01:05:15,020 --> 01:05:11,790
great stuff today in the second hour for

1542
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:15,030
those oh so supportive plus people GI

1543
01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:18,240
Joe being a conspiratorial smorgasbord

1544
01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:20,400
touching on almost all the major themes

1545
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:22,160
we hear about in the alternative realm

1546
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:24,720
military recruitment films where you

1547
01:05:29,450 --> 01:05:26,490
might least expect them

1548
01:05:32,450 --> 01:05:29,460
dr. Strangelove as an allusion to the

1549
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:32,460
RAND Corporation esoteric Hollywood film

1550
01:05:38,060 --> 01:05:35,330
shot on location at Rothschild mansions

1551
01:05:40,370 --> 01:05:38,070
also why the Tavistock Institute would

1552
01:05:43,250 --> 01:05:40,380
be studying Hitchcock's films the role

1553
01:05:45,860 --> 01:05:43,260
of 70s and 80s dystopia films like

1554
01:05:48,860 --> 01:05:45,870
labyrinth and the Dark Crystal the films

1555
01:05:52,430 --> 01:05:48,870
of David Lynch Jay sought on more recent

1556
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:52,440
films like split and arrival and is

1557
01:05:57,350 --> 01:05:54,480
icing on this crazy cake we talked about

1558
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:57,360
Chuck Palin ex-works I never know how to

1559
01:06:03,230 --> 01:05:59,280
pronounce his name I just take a shot

1560
01:06:06,050 --> 01:06:03,240
and survivor by the way if you did hear

1561
01:06:07,970 --> 01:06:06,060
the plush show survivor is his book that

1562
01:06:09,260 --> 01:06:07,980
involves a hijacked plane I couldn't

1563
01:06:11,390 --> 01:06:09,270
believe I couldn't think of it at the

1564
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:11,400
time and we talked about a lot of other

1565
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:13,410
good stuff too just sign up for Plus

1566
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:16,050
already for only 5 bucks a month this

1567
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:18,480
show is supported completely by the Plus

1568
01:06:24,500 --> 01:06:22,050
program I grew a pair and quit my shitty

1569
01:06:26,450 --> 01:06:24,510
job managing a Gamestop built the Plus

1570
01:06:29,180 --> 01:06:26,460
infrastructure and never looked back

1571
01:06:31,940 --> 01:06:29,190
guys I try to be respectful of your time

1572
01:06:33,710 --> 01:06:31,950
give you a great show and I offered up

1573
01:06:36,770 --> 01:06:33,720
for just that five bucks and I don't

1574
01:06:39,470 --> 01:06:36,780
bother you with any other stuff yes I

1575
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:39,480
make t-shirts based on episodes over at

1576
01:06:44,990 --> 01:06:42,720
higher side clothing but whatever I hope

1577
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:45,000
you see the contrast between me and

1578
01:06:51,470 --> 01:06:47,490
other hosts the higher side and other

1579
01:06:53,330 --> 01:06:51,480
shows and recognize even things like the

1580
01:06:55,370 --> 01:06:53,340
difference in audio quality I listen to

1581
01:06:58,780 --> 01:06:55,380
a show the other day from a channel that

1582
01:07:02,789 --> 01:06:58,790
I have been a fan of or a follower of

1583
01:07:04,109 --> 01:07:02,799
way before THD was even a same

1584
01:07:06,509 --> 01:07:04,119
one of the most well known in the

1585
01:07:08,999 --> 01:07:06,519
alternative realm and the host she still

1586
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:09,009
puts up her interviews on YouTube with

1587
01:07:13,559 --> 01:07:11,170
the technical difficulties still in it

1588
01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:13,569
was terrible echoing throughout the

1589
01:07:17,789 --> 01:07:16,569
entire show it's just like if doing

1590
01:07:18,719 --> 01:07:17,799
interviews is what you're going to do

1591
01:07:21,569 --> 01:07:18,729
for a living

1592
01:07:23,789 --> 01:07:21,579
take a goddamn second to get the audio

1593
01:07:25,439 --> 01:07:23,799
right and package it up nice for the

1594
01:07:29,219 --> 01:07:25,449
people before you put it out there it's

1595
01:07:31,890 --> 01:07:29,229
supposed to be your livelihood so again

1596
01:07:33,689 --> 01:07:31,900
whatever if you like the show I do if

1597
01:07:36,299 --> 01:07:33,699
you think I do a good job go to the

1598
01:07:39,239 --> 01:07:36,309
higher side chats plus comm and sign up

1599
01:07:40,890 --> 01:07:39,249
it's really easy you can pay for three

1600
01:07:42,509 --> 01:07:40,900
six or twelve months

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chunks if you don't like five bucks a

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month I have a robust frequently asked

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questions section on how to get the plus

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feed into your podcast players of choice

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if you're worried about that blah blah

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blah right well it does mean a lot to be

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listener-supported and every host is

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just trying to get your money somehow

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but I wait to the end and I I like to

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think that I spend less time pitching

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than any other show and I like the

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content to speak for itself so meet me

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in the middle here but again Jay is

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always a welcome guest fun and

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knowledgeable guy to talk to and I have

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two more shows due out by the end of the

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super-short month of February so I'm

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going to get on it that is it for me

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your move

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SoCal sorcerers of eight millimeter

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magic and mental manipulation your

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oh you you see no random it's attached

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to a string control Nova and see

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nine five try still yeah

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now don't that job sincerely hello can

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hear should i play man 40 and some spy

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I'll be thankful when

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[Music]

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so typically talk about 10 well did you

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well he argument is nothing really have

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this

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[Music]

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I

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[Music]

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ah

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[Music]

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you